Dr. Gabor Mate: trauma, addiction, ayahuasca

Dr. Gabor Mate, Tim Ferriss, March 7, 2018; Seth Auberon, Ashley Wells (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Dr. Gabor Maté on trauma, addiction, ayahuasca | The Tim Ferriss Show Podcast

(Tim Ferriss) Tim Ferriss speaks with addiction specialist Dr. Gabor Maté, a physician who specializes in neurology, psychiatry, and psychology.

Dr. Mate’s well known for studying and treating addiction. Ferriss invited Dr. Maté to his podcast for a while because he is not only an expert in the pathologies of addiction, but he’s experimented with — and successfully used — tools that outside of traditional psychiatry.

Dr. Mate is also co-founder, along with Vicky Dulai, of Compassion for Addiction, a group that advocates for a new way to understand and treat addiction.

Show Notes: tim.blog/2018/02/20/gabor-mate

🙌Connect with Dr. Gabor Maté: facebook.com/drgabormate and drgabormate.com

• 00:00 Start
• 00:00:24
• Important books
• 00:20:26 Gabor the physician
• 00:27:02 Addiction
• 00:46:49 Healing addiction
• 00:53:00 Predisposed vs. predetermined
• 00:58:17 Compassionate inquiry
• 01:05:44 How to recover from trauma
• 01:14:19 Psychedelics — overview
• 01:32:56 2 human fundamental needs
• 01:38:54 Psychedelics — deep dive
• 01:55:18 Tim goes on the hot seat
• 02:07:12 Hope
• 02:11:20 Where to find Gabor
• 02:19:02 Gabor’s wish for you

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Censoring filthy rock lyrics with Gore (video)

How heavy metal and Satan gave us this sticker

(Vox) Heavy metal and Satan played a role in the introduction of the explicit lyrics sticker warning consumers on record albums.

Mara: "Listen to music, kids" - Krampus.

Become a Video Lab member: bit.ly/video-lab. The explicit lyrics sticker is one of the most recognizable images in American music. Its placement on an album cover signifies you’re going to hear something for adult ears only, and it’s an image we often take for granted. It probably helps sales.

The story behind how we got that sticker is bonkers, to say the least. The very public discussion around the advisory label involved the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC), a group led by the wives of Washington politicians -- like Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife) and a few musicians including Frank Zappa, Dee Snider, and John Denver.

While the PMRC’s involvement was allegedly sparked by some raunchy lyrics from Prince’s 1984 album Purple Rain, the debate over rock lyrics had been infiltrating American culture and politics for a decade.

The driving force behind that debate was the rise of heavy metal (and particularly the grindcore band Cannibal Corpse), a genre that saw explosive popularity with the launch of MTV in 1981, and the growing influence of the religious right, who saw rock music as a powerful threat to Christianity.

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Some songs don't just stick in your head, they change the music world forever. Join Estelle Caswell on a musical journey to discover the stories behind favorite songs.

A number of sources went into the research of this piece including Eric Nuzum’s book Parental Advisory: Music Censorship in America.

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Pope Benedict dies. Long live the other guy

TODAY, Dec. 31, 2022; Slayer "Season in the Abyss"; Eds., Wisdom Quarterly COMMENTARY

What if I look like his Dark Majesty, the source of light in the Holy Roman Empire/the Holy See?

The Nazi Pope Benedict

Beloved Pope Saint Francis is safe. If he weren't, we might cry for that guy. But Hitler Youth member, possible Satanist, and almost certainly chronic pedophile priest Pope Emeritus Benedict Arnold (born Joe Ratzinger) has died at 95 to answer a few questions at Saint Peter's gate. Will the Catholic world mourn? Not likely, not much anyway. He was very unpopular. Pope Francis may commit the same crimes, having been a loyal student of Benedict, but he's loveable in a Dalai Lama sort of way.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI dead at 95

(TODAY) Dec 31, 2022. The Vatican [Corporation] has announced the death of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI at the age of 95 after failing health. Ex-Pope Benedict was the first pope to resign in 600 years.

I work for Krampus, and I'm Klaus.

[But it is known he was pushed out for high crimes and misdemeanor, not only involving rampant homosexuality and perversity in the priesthood over which he presided but embezzlement and/or other high finance irregularities of the Vatican and its banking partners. He had become an unpopular liability and got to choose between hiding out in the Holy See immune from prosecution or death to save the multinational corporation embarrassment and dues paying members]. NBC’s Molly Hunter reports for Saturday TODAY. #PopeBenedict #Pope #BenedictXVI

• Is Blind Faith Killing Christianity? (Tom Harpur)

Slayer: "Seasons in the Abyss"

(UnderstandingRock with Subtitles, May 28, 2021) The Big 4 rock concert live from Sofia, Bulgária  at the Sonisphere Festival. Band: Slayer, line-up: vocals and bass Tom Araya, lead guitar Jeff Hanneman, lead guitar Kerry King, drums Dave Lombardo.

I don't worship the Devil...that much. Who says?

Will Pope Benedict spend seasons in the abyss for his crimes, sins, and peccadillos? Do Catholic insiders even believe in a literal hell apart from separation from the God they worship? Outsiders like us, yeah, we're forced to believe in hellfire and brimstone, but the insiders, the scholars like Benedict, they almost certainly laugh at the idea that there's a real hell. There certainly must be some forms of it -- subterranean chambers where ogres and "demons" dwell torturing humans in experiments. It's not so much punishment as a result of bad karma making one susceptible to torture and experimentation by wardens down there that have their own agendas. Sure there are "spiritual hells," black dimensions, but are there not worlds of horror, like battlefields and ruined cities the US military-industrial complex traffics in around the world?

The world is fed up with Catholic hypocrisy, financial crimes, and rampant homosexual child molestation by trusted members of the clergy. But what power do the people have in a patriarchy?

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Time travel theoretically possible: Biz Insider

Aubrey Plaza, Safety Not Guaranteed; Susie Neilson, Natalie Musumeci, insider@insider.com, Business Insider, 12/31/22; Pat Macpherson, Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

(Business Insider) Time travel is theoretically possible, calculations show. But that doesn't mean one could change the past.

US already uses time travel (Andrew D. Basiago)

Time travel is possible based on the laws of physics, according to researchers. But time travelers wouldn't be able to alter the past in a measurable way, they say. And the future would essentially stay the same, according to the researchers.

Imagine one could hop into a time machine, press a button, and journey back to 2019, before the [plandemic] novel coronavirus made the leap from animals to humans [with the aid of "gain of function" research sponsored by the US military].

What if we could find and isolate patient zero? Theoretically, the COVID-19 pandemic wouldn't happen, right? Not quite, because then future-you wouldn't have decided to time travel in the first place.

The ancient portals already exist for ogres.

[Except that there are timelines where it did happen. One can change the future by going into the past, on another timeline.]

For decades, physicists have been studying and debating versions of this paradox: If we could travel back in time and change the past, what would happen to the future?

A 2020 study offered a potential answer: Nothing [or the Mandela Effect]. "Events readjust around anything that could cause a paradox, so the paradox does not happen,"

Germain Tobar, the study's author previously told IFLScience. Tobar's work, published in the peer-reviewed journal Classical and Quantum Gravity in September 2020, suggests that according to the rules of theoretical physics, anything we tried to change in the past would be corrected by subsequent events.

Put simply: It is theoretically possible to go back in time, but we couldn't change history [except that we have, according to such whistleblowers as attorney Andrew D. Basiago, so it is possible]. More

Are ancient Egyptian DMT entities dangerous?

Mysterious Middle East, May 19, 2022; Pat Macpherson, Seth Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Are DMT entities dangerous and what did the Ancient Egyptians know?

(Mysterious Middle East) Unlike Pharaoh Akhenaten's "blue lotus," Egyptian authorities in the 21st century say a modern-day pill called "the blue elephant" is a dangerous type of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), which can lead to madness and worse.

People who experience it say they travel to another dimension or world filled with strange entities. But where is this world and who or what are these entities?

Can quantum mechanics help us understand? And is DMT really as safe as everyone says it is?

Related episodes:

• The Red Mercury Anomaly and the Seven Djinn (Genie) Kings
• The Mandela Effect and its Middle Eastern Origins

Primary sources:

• "Survey of entity encounter experiences occasioned by inhaled N,N-dimethyltryptamine: Phenomenology, interpretation, and enduring effects" (Alan K Davis et al., 2020, pg. 8)
• Mr. Middlepath - DMT, UFOs & Magic | The Hidden Link
• Does Joe Rogan think the DMT elves are real?
• Mike Tyson on doing DMT | Joe Rogan Show
• Ruling on DMT | Mufti Abu Layth
• Does 5-Meo-DMT transport people into the "Djinn Realm"? | Mufti Abu Layth
• 10thdm: Imagining 10 Dimensions
• Sorelle Amore: I tried DMT...it was hell

Arabic/Egyptian News Sources

• حبوب الفيل الأزرق؟ وما أضرارها على الصحة؟ - Al Bayan مخدر الفيل الأزرق DMT: هل هو مَعبَر إلى عالم آخر؟ - ida2at - the spirit molecule مفاجأة.. عقار «الفيل الأزرق» يعالج الاكتئاب والإدمان - Al akhbar elyom كل ما تريد معرفته عن حبوب الفيل الأزرق .. بعد مقتل طفلة على يد أمها - Mobtaba

Secondary resources

• Joe Rogan's DMT Experiences
• David Nichols: DMT and the Pineal Gland: Facts vs. Fantasy
• Disembodied Eyes Revisited: An Investigation into the Ontology of Entheogenic Entity Encounters (David Luke, 2008)
• An Encounter with the Other: A Thematic Analysis of Accounts of DMT Experiences from a Naturalistic Field Study (David Luke)
• Joe Rogan and Rashad Evans compare DMT experiences
• Bright Insight (YouTube): What Ancient Egyptians witnessed on DMT will shock you... (They were trying to tell us something)
• Music by Scott Buckley

Chapters:

• 0:00 Preview: DMT Entity Encounter Survey "Worship Me"
• 0:23 Intro: Ancient Egypt's Real Multiverse of Madness
• 2:23 The Blue Elephant DMT
• 3:26 Pharaoh Akhenaten's Blue Lotus
• 4:43 Hyperspace: What are DMT Entities?
• 6:50 Barzakh: The Space Between Spaces
• 8:17 String Theory and The 4th Dimension
• 10:45 The Blue Elephant and the Djinn King
• 16:16 The Eye of Horus and the Pineal Gland

#Djinn #sacredgeometry #ancientegypt #ancientegypt #DMTvisuals #Djinn #sacredgeometry

Close Guantanamo now! (Jan. 11, 2023)

icujp.org; Crystal Quintero, CC Liu, Ashley Wells (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

1/11/23: Close Guantanamo - Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace (icujp.org)

Stormy night ruins New Year's Eve in LA (video)

Heavy rain on New Year's Eve in Los Angeles; Rose Parade should remain dry

(KTLA 5, Dec. 31, 2022) Headed out to celebrate New Year's Eve? Better bring an umbrella. Heavy rainfall is expected to hit the Southland in the hours leading up to midnight and into early Sunday morning. Strong gusty winds and slick roads will present extra dangers to those traveling for New Year's Eve celebrations. KTLA's Kaj Goldberg reports on Dec. 31, 2022. Details: ktla.com/news... Get Los Angeles breaking news, crime, entertainment, weather, traffic, and sports from L.A.'s very own KTLA 5 News. Keeping Southern Californians informed since 1947. Online: ktla.com.

(Global News) Meanwhile, the rest of the world celebrates the new year with massive fireworks displays:

Graham Hancock: Aliens, Atlantis, Apocalypse

Graham Hancock: Aliens, Atlantis and the Apocalypse

(Jesse Michels) Dec. 22, 2022. Graham Hancock is an unrelenting journalist uncovering the origins of humanity’s forgotten past.

His new docuseries on Netflix is called Ancient Apocalypse. It documents the abundance of evidence that humanity is much older than the belief and teaching of mainstream archeologists.

Most of them believe civilization started a mere 6,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East. Hancock explores various archeological sites across the planet that show our civilization is in fact much older.

In this raw, longform interview, we discuss the secrets of "Atlantis," the Ark of the Covenant, DMT (ayahuasca) as a window into the spirit world and of course, UFOs and space aliens. Watch ancient apocalypse on Netflix.

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Most deeply occulted info. on earth (video)

Ex-Occultist: "This is the most deeply occulted information on earth"

(Video Advice) Nov. 14, 2022. Many refer to it as "real magic." Many thanks to Mark Passio. Check out his work for more hidden information: youtube.com/c/MarkPassio and whatonearthishappening.com.

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Buried Secrets of Empire Behind Angkor Wat

Timeline - World History Docs, 12/3/22; Dhr. Seven, Amber Larson (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Cambodian Theravada Buddhist monks on alms round at Angkor Wat temple complex

The Buried Secrets of the Empire Behind the Angkor Wat | Angkor Rediscovered

(Timeline - World History Documentaries) The stunning temples -- which were built by the Khmer people, like the Angkor Wat ("Temple at Angkor") during the 13th century Angkor Empire's era -- capture the imagination of all.

As experts try to unravel the temples' significance, they uncover mysterious facts about them. From five-headed Lord Shiva to the shrine of the Lord of the Dead Yama, to the discovery of ritual human sacrifices, go on a journey of thrilling exploration of one of the largest cities in the world.

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Cypress Hill, Korn, SOAD, Slipknot, Sin 34, Void

Rick Rubin, Paul McCartney; Cannibal Corpse, Cypress Hill, System of a Down, Slipknot, Sin 34, VOID, DevilDriver, Prophets of Rage; Seth Auberon, Pfc. Sandoval, Pat Mac (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

I'm going to find the Truth or die trying.

Can music really have anything to do with one's spiritual endeavor or meditative practice? What does rock 'n roll have to do with higher ideals in life? One could argue that it has everything to do with them. Metal fans are the most loyal to their music. But hardcore in general attracts a more loyal fan base than pop or passing fads. Hard and heavy metal are moving testaments to a sort of approach to life, to stilling the mind, and to accomplishing something beyond this life. Not everyone might think so. And it would almost certainly be better to listen to classical or world music and chill. But is that what sadhus and shramans, holy hermits and wandering ascetics (yogis and shamans), would do? Someone has to determine to experience the Truth directly and then tell others about, like the Awakened One did. So it shouldn't be seen as so odd that some Buddhist meditators would go in for extreme music.

• Gimme Metal | iHeart

How Europeans enjoy extreme music: mosh pit

Jimmy Dore Show: Vince V and Tulsi (video)

J. D. (jimmydore.com, jimmydorecomedy.com); Pfc. Sandoval, S. Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Origins: Jesus Christ the Pagan (video)

Parable, 12/6/22; author Tom Harpur; Pat Macpherson, Seth Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Were the True Origins of Jesus Christ Covered Up? | The Pagan Christ | Parable

The Pagan Christ (Tom Harpur)

(Parable - Religious History Documentaries) Dec. 6, 2022. A documentary adaptation of the 2004 book The Pagan Christ explores the "Jesus Myth Theory." This theory suggests that parts of the New Testament of the Christian-Jewish Bible are strikingly similar to Pagan and ancient Egyptian [Jesus being a boy traveling in North Africa, which is where Israel is, as are other important Christian countries like Ethiopia] beliefs and that early church leaders have formed a religion based on mistruths.

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Shaolin Master: Noble Eightfold Path (video)

Shifu Shi Heng Yi, Mulligan Brothers; Pat Macpherson, Seth Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Shaolin Master Shi Heng Yi: The Noble Eightfold Path 2022

(Mulligan Brothers Interviews) Dec. 23, 2022. For more from Shi Heng Yi and his online training, check his website: shihengyi.online.

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Sit-Heads Meditation Club (online 12/29)

Jon Krop (SHMC); Ananda (Dharma Buddhist Meditation), Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

• Thursday meditation meeting
• And chat about practice
• Starts 7:00 PM ET
• LINK (Jon Krop)

Consider supporting the group on Patreon, which helps cover costs of website, software, and other Sit-Heads-related expenses. Thanks!

What else is going on? Mondays, 7:30-9 PM ET (online): Sit-Heads Book Club! Current book: Be Here Now by Ram Dass. The club sits for 30 minutes then discusses the book. It's very fun. Zoom link. Add to Google Calendar here.

Impromptu Group Sits (online) Throughout the day, sit-heads are having impromptu group sits in a shared video room that's always open.

There's also an online group chat. Folks announce their sits in the online group chat so others can join.

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Man discovers vast underground city

Jeff Parsons (metro.co.uk, 12/28/22); Pat Macpherson, Seth Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

The underground city is now open to the public (Getty Images/iStockphoto/© Metro)

Tunnels of Derinkuyu were found by a man in 1960s (Shutterstock/Wirestock Creators © Metro)

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Man knocks down basement wall and discovers vast underground city

On the list of surprising things to find in one's basement, a vast underground city dating back centuries is probably high up there.

The tunnels of Derinkuyu were found by a, presumably very surprised, man in the 1960s. But that’s exactly what one man discovered in 1963 after taking a sledgehammer to the wall of his cellar in Nevşehir Province in Turkey [between Europe and Asia].

The man – who has stayed anonymous in subsequent reports – found a tunnel lurking behind the wall during a bit of home renovation. The tunnel led to another one then another behind that. He had unwittingly located the entrance to a huge underground city called Derinkuyu.

The Derinkuyu cave complex in Cappadocia, Turkey (Getty Images/iStockphoto)

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The subterranean warren had been abandoned for centuries and was eventually found to be 18 stories deep and capable of housing up to 20,000 residents [to preserve humanity during times of periodic catastrophe, just as the Native Americans were saved by the "ant people" in the region of the Grand Canyon].

The Derinkuyu cave complex in Cappadocia, Turkey (Getty Images/iStockphoto/Metro)

Experts believe the city may have housed 20,000 inhabitants (Getty Images/iStockphoto/Metro)

There were chapels, schools, and even stables down there. According to archeologists at the Turkish Department of Culture, Derinkuyu was carved into the volcanic rock and became a sort of human-made ant colony.

The experts believe it was crafted between the 7th and 8th century BCE by the Phrygians, an ancient Indo-European culture.

It reached its peak in the Byzantine period (about 395 CE to 1453 CE) and extended to include wells and water channels.

While early uses for the underground complex were likely storage, it grew to the size it was for the purposes of defense.

As on Mars, life has to go underground to survive a cataclysm (Getty/iStockphoto/Metro)

Tunnels of Derinkuyu were found by a man in the 1960s (Shutterstock/Wirestock Creators/Metro)

According to records, different people sheltered in the city over centuries. Early Christians lived there, fleeing persecutions from the Romans, and Muslims used it to hide during the Arab-Byzantine wars between the 7th and 11th centuries.

Derinkuyu is now open to the public to visit, although only 10% of the city is accessible. What would someone do if one were to find a massive underground city behind a wall in a cellar [or in the deserts out West where large caverns have been stumbled upon that clearly housed thousands]?

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