Showing posts with label Nagas in the News. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nagas in the News. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 10, 2026

Bigfoot in Vatican art, miners see lizard people

(Cabin in the Woods) Ancient Catholic religion knew what Bigfoot (Yakkha) is, but we forgot
  • Satyrs are "hairy ones" (Book of Enoch explains)
  • Buddhism's Yakshas and Yetis are wild subhumans
"Lizard people" live underground in caves?

In 1906 Coal miners encountered Lizard People in the Nevada caves
Dinosauroid - Reptilian humanoid
(Into the Past) Nov. 13, 2025: In 1906, a remote Nevada coal crew uncovered something no miner was meant to see — a hidden chamber beneath the ridge containing strange markings, fresh drag trails, and footprints that didn’t belong to any living person.

When the lanterns flickered and tapping sounds traveled through the stone floors, the men realized they weren’t alone in the dark.

Race of nagas
This full-length historical horror story follows the miners as they descend deeper into the hill, discovering the truth behind the tunnels and the reptilian creatures (nagas) rumored by the local Shoshone Native Americans. What began as routine coal work quickly turned into a night of terror, vanishing men, and an encounter no one escaped unchanged.

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Thursday, February 22, 2024

What if humans are NOT earth's first? (PBS)

PBS Space Time, 12/7/23; Eds., Wisdom Quarterly Nagas in the News

What if humans are NOT earth's first civilization? | Silurian hypothesis
(PBS Space Time) We might be the first technological civilization on Earth. But what if we’re not? We are almost certainly not, depending on who "we" refers to.

The Sumerians, the Indus Valley Civilization, Turkey/Anatolia's Gobekli Tepe culture, all of the ancient wonders of the Americas and Africa that can't be replicated by us now, if all of those count, we still are almost certainly not the first.

Life on this earth is very ancient, going back hundreds of millions of years, according to the Forbidden Archeologist Michael Cremo, Buddhist and Vedic records, and others in Europe and hidden here and there waiting to be discovered and explained away as anomalies.

Buddhist Sakka is Saint Michael
We are the first, insists PBS. (They don't want to get labelled woo-woo or nuts, after all). Although how sure are we, really? The Silurian hypothesis, which asks whether pre-human industrial civilizations might have existed, is a real thing.

Who were the Reptilians (the Nagas of Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain lore) or the "dragons" of the Bible?
 
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Friday, December 15, 2023

Naga News: Sea monster skull found (BBC)

BBC News, 12/10/23; Pat Macpherson, Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly
Majestic, behemoth pliosaur skull discovered on UK's Jurassic Coast (satorinews.com)

This is cryptozoology taken seriously, forbidden paleontology, the unearthing of an enormous sea monster or aquatic creature, like a serpent or crocodile but a dinosaur of behemoth proportions. What has lived in the sea would boggle the mind, particularly the earth's long history of reptilians (nāgas) of various kinds -- humanoids, amphibians, shapeshifters, monsters, and "mighty beings," which is what naga means in its broadest Buddhist sense.

Colossal sea monster unearthed in UK (BBC News)
(BBC News) The BBC is a British public broadcast service. The skull of a colossal sea monster has been extracted from the cliffs of the Jurassic Coast in Dorset, UK. It belongs to a pliosaur, a ferocious marine reptile that terrorized the oceans about 150 million years ago. The six foot (2 meter) long fossil is one of the most complete specimens of its type ever discovered and is giving new insights into this ancient predator. The skull will be featured in a special David Attenborough program on BBC One on New Year's Day, 2024.

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023

Tree & Serpent: Early Buddhist Art (The Met)

The Metropolitan Museum of Art (metmuseum.org); Andrea K. Scott (newyorker.com, May 22, 2023); CC Liu, Ashley Wells, Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly, Wiki edit
Where did ancient Sumer (Sumeria) and the Middle East get ideas of a talking serpent?

Having left the bodhi tree, why was the Buddha covered by this shapeshifting royal serpent?


Tree & Serpent: Early Buddhist Art in India at The Met
Ancient Sumerian story
Overview: This is the story of the origins of Buddhist art. The religious landscape of ancient [proto-] India was transformed by the teachings of the Buddha, which in turn inspired art devoted to expressing his message [the Dharma of Awakening].
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  • Upcoming: July 21-Nov. 13, 2023
  • The Met (free with museum admission)
Sublime imagery adorned the most ancient monumental religious structures in ancient India, known as stupas [Central and North Asian burial mounds].

The stupa housed the relics [sariras, unique crystallizations left in the cremation ashes of fully enlightened beings] of the Buddha and also honored him through symbolic representations and visual storytelling.

Original relics and reliquaries are at the heart of this exhibition, which culminates with the Buddha image itself.

"Dragons" are a worldwide phenomenon
Featuring more than 140 objects dating from 200 BCE to 400 CE, the exhibition presents a series of evocative and interlocking themes to reveal both the pre-Buddhist origins of figurative sculpture in [pre-] India and the early narrative traditions that were central to this formative moment in early Indian art.

Celestial avians vs terrestrial reptilians 
With major loans from a dozen lenders across [modern] India, as well as from the United Kingdom, Europe, and the United States, it transports visitors into the world of early Buddhist imagery that gave expression to this new religion as it grew from a core set of ethical teachings into one of the world’s great religions.

Objects associated with Indo-Roman exchange reveal India’s place in early global trade.

The exhibition showcases objects in various media, including limestone sculptures, gold, silver, bronze, rock crystal, and ivory.

Highlights include spectacular sculptures from southern India — newly discovered and never before publicly exhibited masterpieces — that add to the world canon of early Buddhist art.

The exhibition is made possible by Reliance Industries Limited, The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Global, and the Fred Eychaner Fund.

These are sariras or funerary "relics."
Major support
is provided by the Estate of Brooke Astor, the Florence and Herbert Irving Fund for Asian Art Exhibitions, and the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation.

The symposium is made possible by the Fred Eychaner Fund.

The catalogue is made possible by the Florence and Herbert Irving Fund for Asian Art Publications.

Additional support is provided by Albion Art Co., Ltd. More
Trees & Serpents at The Met
Andrea K. Scott, The New Yorker (newyorker.com)
First The New Yorker starts talking seriously about UFOs, and now it's reptilians.
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Just as flowers take root in graveyards...Ages before the invention of mindfulness apps, Buddhism was born at the base of a tree, in northern [Bihar, in future] India, where a [former] prince sat down to meditate and — [one time by a pond during a rainstorm while meditating came] under the protection of a seven-headed snake [a shapeshifting royal naga named Mucalinda*] — [after he had already] reached enlightenment [previously under a Ficus religiosa tree at another location].

“Tree and Serpent: Early Buddhist Art in India, 200 BCE–400 CE,” at The Met, revisits the first 600 years of artistic response to the tradition, through more than 125 objects, including recent finds from ancient Buddhist monastic sites. (Opens July 21.) ♦
  • Although WQ commonly translates naga as "reptilian humanoids, snake, serpent, or dragon," the term is much broader and refers to any mighty creature (like nature spirits known as yakkhas, like the Iranian/Persian genies or djinn) or a magnificent tusker elephant.
Dhr. Seven, Pat Macpherson (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly Wiki edits

Among the notable nagas of Buddhist tradition is *King Mucalinda naga-raja ("royal-reptilian") a protector of the Buddha. In the Vinaya Sutra (I, 3), shortly after his enlightenment, the Buddha is meditating in a forest when a great storm arises.

Graciously, King Mucalinda gives shelter to the Buddha from the storm by covering the Buddha's head with [by shapeshifting into a massive cobra with] seven heads [20]. The king then takes the form of a young Brahmin and pays homage to the Buddha [20].

Why did Europeans worship dragons/nagas?
In the Tibetan/Himalayan Vajrayāna and Mahāsiddha traditions [21] nagas in their half-human form are depicted holding a nagas-jewel, kumbhas of amrita ("jugs of ambrosia"), or a terma that had been elementally encoded by adepts.

In Tibetan Buddhism, nagas are known as klu or klu-mo [sea serpents]. They are associated with water and cleanliness, as they live in oceans, rivers, lakes, and springs, and do not want their environments to be disturbed or polluted [22].

The two chief male disciples [corresponding to his two chief female monastic disciples Ven. Khema and Uppalavana] of the Buddha, Ven. Sariputta and Ven. Moggallāna are both referred to as mahā-nāga or "great nāga" [23].

Some of the most important figures in Buddhist history symbolize nagas in their names such as Dignāga, Nāgāsēna and, although other etymons are assigned to his name, Nāgārjuna. More

Friday, October 28, 2022

Buzz Aldrin saw UFOs on Moon; Real Reptilians


EXCLUSIVE: Astronaut Buzz Aldrin confirms UFO sighting in Syfy's Aliens on the Moon
(Entertainment Tonight) July 16, 2014. Forget everything you think you know about our moon! The channel that brought the world Sharknado (Tornado of Sharks) has turned their sights to the stars for a two-hour documentary special, Aliens on the Moon: The Truth Exposed, and ET has an exclusive first look.

Orikon25(Orikon25) "Our Galaxy as billions of stars. Each of those stars could have many worlds. Each world can be home to a different form of life. And each life is a special story of its own." - Buzz Aldrin

Reptilians in Garden of Eden (Ancient Aliens)

(HISTORY) Oct. 22, 2019. The search continues with new episodes of In Search Of on Fridays at 10/9 central. Ancient texts known as the Nag Hammadi codices describe reptilian entities interacting with humans. Ancient astronaut theorists believe these represent real Reptilian beings from the ancient past in this clip from Season 8, "The Reptilians."

Nagas: shapeshifters possessing royals
Subscribe for more from Ancient Aliens and other great HISTORY shows. like "Ancient Aliens: The Garden of Eden's Genetic Laboratory."

(Wiki) Reptilian humanoids are anthropomorphic reptoids in the ancient history, folklore, and mythology of India, Buddhism and other Dharmic religions (royal nagas), Europe (scaly dragons), and the Americas (feathered serpents). They appear in fiction and conspiracy theories as well.

Thursday, May 19, 2016

Hopi: Reptilian tunnels under L.A. (LA Times)

Dhr. Seven, Amber Larson, Xochitl, Pat Macpherson, Wisdom Quarterly; Jean Bosquet (LA Times via reptoids.org); Bridget Nielsen (HybridChildrenCommunity, facebook); Ven Thanissaro (ATI)

TheHybridChildren
Reptilians, nagas or "lizard people," visit Earth, live in subterranean corridors (under Los Angeles, see below), and work with some compartmentalized segments of our government.

The main idea is to understand the spiritual depth and empowerment possible when we keep our frequency high, look at these beings without fear, and use our discernment.
 
Are benevolent and malevolent space aliens real? Are hybrid (Reptilian or Draconian-earthling and Pleiadian-human) children being created on ships to reseed planet earth?

Nielsen covers various topics: Sirius, alien sightings, ET disclosure, psychic abilities, and how alien contact and encounters with off planet intelligences relate to personal development, the Law of Attraction, and all things spiritual.
"Lizard People" under Los Angeles (LA Times)
The City and County of Los Angeles are enormous in expanse and densely populated.

Did Strange People Live Under Site of Los Angeles 5000 Years Ago?
Lizard People = nagas in Buddhism
An amazing labyrinth of underground passages and caverns hundreds of feet below the surface of Fort Moore Hill is revealed in maps -- all rights to which have been reserved -- prepared by G. Warren Shufelt, local mining engineer, who explains his topographical endeavors as being based on results obtained from a radio X-ray perfected by him. In this elaborate system of tunnels and rooms, according to a legend furnished Shufelt by an Indian authority, a tribe of human beings called the Lizard People, lived, 5000 years ago. The network of tunnels formed what Indians call the lost Lizard City, according to Shufelt and the legend. Gold tablets on which are written the origin of the human race and other priceless documents are to be found in the tunnels, according to the legend. Shufelt declares his radio X-ray has located the gold. The engineer has dug a shaft 250 feet deep on North Hill street, overlooking North Broadway, Sunset and Spring streets, and intends to dig to 1000 feet in an effort to strike the lost city. Upper right-hand corner inset is Times Staff Artist Ewing's conception of the Lizard People at work. Lower left, upper insert shows Shufelt and crew at top of shaft, baling water out of their deep excavation. Lower left insert shows Shufelt operating his radio X-ray device. (SEE FULL STORY BELOW).
 
Hopi Indian legends
Traditional Tibet-style Hopi village of Walpi, Arizona (Ansel Adams/archives.gov/wiki)
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Southwest Museum near tunnels, Los Angeles
(Reptoids.org) The Hopi Indians of Northern Arizona have traditions that recall a time when our "Snake Brothers" built and occupied underground cities.

There are other cities in California, Arizona, Mexico, and Central America. One such underworld is said to have been built on the West Coast, under Los Angeles, California, ending at the Pacific Ocean.

by Michelle Walling (May 2, 2016, howtoexitthematrix.com)

Confirmation came with a mining engineer and geophysicist (G. Warren Shufelt) in search of LA's mythological subterranean network of tunnels and chambers. Shufelt's efforts were presented on the front page of the Los Angeles Times on January 29, 1934.

On top center of the front page is an artistic rendition of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Below that image is an article entitled "Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted." Here it is in full:
 
Cover of Los Angeles Times with "Lizard People" article by Jean Bosquet, Jan. 29, 1934
Copies of the unbelievable LA Times article still exist and must be explained away
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"Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted"
Engineer Sinks Shaft Under Fort Moore Hill to Find Maze of Tunnels and Priceless Treasures of Legendary Inhabitants
By Jean Bosquet (Los Angeles Times, January 29, 1934)
Busy Los Angeles, although little realizing it in the hustle and bustle of modern existence, stands above a lost city of catacombs filled with incalculable treasure and imperishable records of a race of humans further advanced intellectually than the highest type of present day peoples, in the belief of G. Warren Shufelt, geophysicist mining engineer now engaged in an attempt to wrest from the lost city deep in the earth below Fort Moore Hill the secrets of the Lizard People of legendary fame in the medicine lodges of the American Indian.

So firmly does Shufelt and a little staff of assistants believe that a maze of catacombs and priceless golden tablets are to be found beneath downtown Los Angeles that the engineer and his aids have already driven a shaft 250 feet into the ground, the mouth of the shaft being on the old Banning property on North Hill street, overlooking Sunset Boulevard, Spring street and North Broadway.

And so convinced is the engineer of the infallibility of a radio x-ray perfected by him for detecting the presence of minerals and tunnels below the surface of the ground, an apparatus with which he says he has traced a pattern of catacombs and vaults forming the lost city, that he plans to continue sending his shaft downward until he has reached a depth of 1000 feet before discontinuing operations.

"Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted" by Jean Bosquet (Los Angeles Times, 1-29-34)
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LEGEND SUPPLIES CL[UE]
[Los Angeles Times, Jan. 29, 1934]
Shufelt learned of the legend of the Lizard People after his radio X-Ray had led him hither and yon, over an area extending from the Public Library on West Fifth street to the Southwest Museum, on Museum Drive, at the foot of Mt. Washington.

"I knew I was over a pattern of tunnels," the engineer explained yesterday," and I had mapped out the course of the tunnels, the position of large rooms scattered along the tunnel route, as well as the position of deposits of gold, but I couldn't understand the meaning of it."

Then Shufelt was taken to Little Chief Greenleaf of the medicine lodge of the Hopi Indians in Arizona, who's English name is L. Macklin. The Indian provided the engineer with a legend which, according to both men, dovetails exactly with what Shufelt says he has found.

FIRE DESTROYS ALL
According to the legend as imparted to Shufelt by Macklin, the radio X-Ray has revealed the location of one of the three lost cities on the Pacific Coast, the local one having been dug by the Lizard People after the "great catastrophe" which occurred about 5000 years ago. This legendary catastrophe was in the form of a huge tongue of fire, which "came out of the Southwest, destroying all in its path," (Continued on Page 5, Column 2)

"...the path being several hundred miles wide." The city underground was dug as a means of escaping future fires.

The lost city, dug with powerful chemicals by the Lizard People instead of pick and shovel, was drained into the ocean, where its tunnels began, according to the legend. The tide passing daily in and out of the lower tunnel portals and forcing air into the upper tunnels, providing ventilation and "cleansed and sanitized the lower tunnels," the legend states.

Large rooms in the domes of the hills above the city of labyrinths housed 1000 families "in the manner of tall buildings" and imperishable food supplies of the herb variety were stored in the catacombs to provide sustenance for the Lizard folk for a great length of time as the next fire swept over the earth.

CITY LAID OUT LIKE LIZARD
[Click map to enlarge details.]
The Lizard People, the legends has it, regard the lizard as a symbol of long life. Their city is laid out like a lizard, according to the legend, its tail to the Southwest, far below Fifth and Hope streets, its head to the northeast, at Lookout and Marda streets. The city's key room is situated directly under South Broadway, near Second street, according to Shufelt and the legend.

This key room is the directory to all the parts of the city and to all record tablets, the legend states. All records were to be kept on golden tablets, four feet long and fourteen inches wide. On these tablets of gold, gold having been the symbol of life to the legendary Lizard People, will be found the record of history of the Mayans and on one particular tablet, the southwest corner of which will be missing, is found the "record of the origin of the human race."

TABLETS PHOTOGRAPHED
Shufelt stated he has taken "X-Ray pictures" of thirty-seven such tablets, three of which have their southwest corners cut off.

"My radio X-ray pictures of the tunnels and rooms, which are subsurface voids, and of gold pictures with perfect corners, sides and ends, are scientific proof of their existence," Shufelt said. "However, the legendary story must remain speculative until unearthed by excavation."

The Lizard People, according to Macklin, were of a much higher type of intellectuality than modern human beings. The intellectual accomplishments of their 9-year-old children were the equal of those of present day college graduates, he said. So greatly advanced scientifically were these people that, in addition to perfecting a chemical solution by which they bored underground without removing any earth and rock, they also developed a cement far stronger and better than any in use in modern times which they lined their tunnels and rooms.

HILLS [E]NCLOSE CITY
Macklin said legendary advice to American Indians was to seek the lost city in an area within a chain of hills forming "the frog of a horse's hoof." The contour of hills surrounding this region forms such a design, substantiating Shufelt's findings, he said.

Shufelt's radio device consists chiefly of a cylindrical glass case inside which a plummet attached to a copper wire held by the engineer sways continually, pointing he asserts, toward minerals or tunnels below the surface of the ground, and then revolves when over mineral or swings in prolongation of the tunnel when above the excavation. He has used the instrument extensively in mining fields, he said." (END of Los Angeles Times article).

Reptilians in Buddhist India
Wisdom Quarterly (COMMENTARY)
Blue ET Indian "god" Lord Krishna with Kaliya daman, female nagas (Chore Bagan Art Studio, reprinted in the book Photos of the Gods by Christopher Pinney, Reaktion, Wiki)

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Krishna and Kaliya (W)
Reptilians, which are known as nagas or "snake people" in India and the more ancient Indus Valley Civilization, are space aliens who have long been on earth influencing earthling affairs. When the Buddha speaks of them living in his day and long before in the past (in the Jatakas or "Rebirth Tales"), modern readers scramble to imagine he is speaking of something else, perhaps simply incorporating Indian and Vedic legends in his teaching.

But it seems clear that he is referring to beings with scaly skin -- and the power to cloak themselves while awake. In fact, their existence is confirmed in the origin stories of the Buddhist Monastic Code (Bhikkhu Vinaya), where each rule was laid down only after some incident. That incident is then included in the record to explain why the Buddha added it to the disciplinary code material or rules (ascetic vows) for monastics, of which there are at least 227 for monks, more for nuns, and many more of a minor nature dealing with etiquette and guidelines for living together in harmony.

Drawing (Bridget Nielsen)
One rule concerns the ordination of men. One person ordained as a novice repeatedly leaves at night, which seems odd to the monks. So one day someone goes in search of him and finds him sleeping under a tree, only no longer in human form but in snake (humanoid hybrid reptilian) form. A rule is therefore laid down that nagas (reptilians) not be ordained and that anyone ordained be asked if s/he is a naga. If so, do not ordain. If the person denies being a naga and is ordained then that ordination is invalid.
Example: Buddhist sutra about a reptilian
Manikantha Jātaka (253) edited by Wisdom Quarterly, translated by Ven. Thanissaro (a.k.a. Geoffrey DeGraff, 2004, accesstoinsight.org) from Recognizing the Dhamma: A Study Guide
Here we live in modern Los Angeles, but we remember what we learned in ancient India.
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Then, having given a Dharma talk on what is seemly and becoming for monastics, the Buddha addressed the monks:
 
"Monks, once there were two brothers who were hermits living on the banks of the Ganges. Then Manikantha, the reptilian (naga)-king, coming up out of the river Ganges, went to the younger hermit and, on arrival, having encircled him seven times with his coils, stood spreading his great hood above his head.
 
Then the younger hermit, through fear of the reptilian, became thin, wretched, unattractive, and jaundiced, his body covered with veins. The elder brother, seeing his younger brother thin... his body covered with veins, asked him, 'Why are you thin...your body covered with veins?'
 
"'Manikantha, the reptilian-king, coming up out of the river Ganges, comes to me and, on arrival, having encircled me seven times with his coils, stands spreading his great hood above my head. Through fear of the reptilian I have become thin...covered with veins.'
 
"'But do you want that reptilian not to return?'
 
"'Indeed, I want that reptilian not to return.'
 
"'Do you see that this reptilian has anything?'
 
"'I see that he is ornamented with a jewel on his throat.'
 
"'Then beg the reptilian for the jewel, saying, "Good sir, give me your jewel. I want your jewel."'
 
"Then Manikantha, the reptilian-king, coming up out of the river Ganges, went to the younger hermit and, on arrival, stood to one side. As he was standing there, the younger hermit said to him, 'Good sir, give me your jewel. I want your jewel.'
 
Then Manikantha, the reptilian-king, thinking, 'The monk is begging for my jewel. The monk wants my jewel,' hurried off. Then a second time, the reptilian-king, coming up out of the river Ganges, went toward the younger hermit. Seeing him from afar, the younger hermit said to him, 'Good sir, give me your jewel. I want your jewel.'
 
Then Manikantha, the reptilian-king, thinking, 'The monk is begging for my jewel. The monk wants my jewel,' hurried off. Then a third time, the reptilian-king came up out of the river Ganges. Seeing him come up out of the river Ganges, the younger hermit said to him, 'Good sir, give me your jewel. I want your jewel.'

"Then Manikantha, the reptilian-king, addressed the younger hermit with this verse:
 
My food and drink are produced grandly,
abundantly, by means of this jewel.
I won't give it to you.
You're one who asks too much.
Nor will I come to your hermitage.
Like a youth with a sharp sword in his hand,
you scare me, begging for my stone.
I won't give it to you.
You're one who asks too much.
Nor will I come to your hermitage.

"Then Manikantha, the reptilian-king, thinking, 'The monk is begging for my jewel. The monk wants my jewel,' went away. And having gone away, he never again returned. More