Who copied whom: Gnostic Jesus or Buddha?

They didn't understand, Jay. - I know, Sid

(Primeval Archives) The Buddha ("Awakened One") and the Gnostic Jesus ("Anointed One") were teaching the same escape route they somehow both knew. Who took it from whom?

Answer

*Irony* Well, clearly Buddhism, which existed five or six centuries before Jesus was born, must have stolen the idea from Christianity by somehow finding a way to time travel centuries into the future, seeing how popular Christianism would get then absconding like a time bandit with Gnostic papyri under his arm back to South and Central Asia (India and Afghanistan). Wait, is there time travel yet? When will that arrive?

So Jesus Christ must have heard the teaching, seen the Buddha's finger pointing at the path (as preserved in the Buddha-Dharma and the Sangha, the Teachings of the Buddha and the monastic institution the Buddha set up to preserve and practice those Teachings so that the world would never be bereft of path or enlightened disciples, who are the unexcelled source of merit for the world).

Jesus was a Buddhist monk (BBC)

• Jesus was a Buddhist monk (BBC): Holy Week: Happy Maundy Thursday
• VIDEO: Jesus in India as a Buddhist monk (BBC)

Socrates, Jesus Christ, the Buddha, Lao Tzu

Primeval Archives does such a great job presenting the case then falls on his A.I. face by claiming that all the evidence that Jesus spent the missing 18 years of his life between the time he was a teen then a teacher traveling to India, Tibet, and the mystic East. All the evidence in the world wouldn't convince someone who has already made up his or her or their mind.

Jesus Lived in India

Is there evidence? Because if there is, then the question answers itself about who borrowed from whom. The BBC says that Jesus was a Buddhist monk during a part of those "missing years," which did not really go missing at all, but rather were buried and erased by the institution. Churches, councils, Vatican, clerical organizations, they never heard it, just as they ignore the Apocrypha, a wondrous source of Christian and pre-Christian knowledge. The lost Gnostic Gospels cannot now be ignored, nor could the parallels between what may spiritual traditions seem to be trying to say in their own way.

• Nicolas Notovitch, Russian Christian, found written documentation of Jesus (St. Issa) in Tibetan monastery Hemis Gompa, Ladakh
• He returned to West, was met with shock and doubt. Then someone claimed to go ask at the monastery, which denied knowing anything about a book documenting Jesus (St. Issa) training there then returning to Palestine (ancient Israel) before getting in trouble again, getting crucified, cut down and released by bribed Roman guards, and returning to India to live out his life till the age of 80 in Kashmir, where he is buried in the Jewish style
• Indian Swami Abhedananda heard about this, traveled to Ladakh, was shown the book (because he was not a Westerner who would steal it like others were likely to do), corroborating all that Notovitch had claimed
• Why a Hindu Accepts Christ and rejects Churchianity: Swami Abhedananda
• Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion | Holger Kersten | Goodreads

Jesus was a Buddhist monk (BBC documentary)

Truth is truth, and no one is owner of it. What the Buddha, the Awakened One, realized he shared with the world like an openhanded teacher. Jesus may have had a much smaller circle of special disciples (Apostles), but he certainly tried to tell people of his visions, realizations, and setting forth a way of following in his footsteps. It's a terrible pity the official Church took that, stripped it of its vital call for real gnosis (direct personal experience, shamanic realization, seeing to believe) and replaced it was a pitiful shell of obedience to authority, mindless learning by rote, and blind faith.

We are responsible for our own actions, which is our karma (deeds). We reap what we sow, which is to say we harvest what we plant. As is said in Buddhism, "No one saves us but ourselves; no one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path; buddhas [awakened teachers] only point the way."

• Primeval Archives (video); BBC (documentary); Dhr. Seven, Amber Larson, Pat Macpherson, Wisdom Quarterly COMMENTARY

Jesus (St. Issa) travels to the Himalayas

(Asangoham) Jesus the Nazarene [St. Issa] in the Himalayas: Greatest Story NEVER Told

• The Unknown Years of Jesus
• VIDEO: Isa was not crucified – Islamic view of Jesus
• The Life of Saint Issa (Jesus) Nicolas Notovitch
• Jesus Lived in India by Holger Kersten
• VIDEO: Pharaoh Akhenaten’s final insanity: declares Himself the only God, bans worship of all other Gods (MSN)

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• Was this the woman the professor calls the "Jahwist"?

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Jesus in Buddhism: India, Tibet, Japan

Buddha-Weekly: Socrates, Jesus, Buddha, Confucius: Buddhist practices, mindfulness, meditation

• BBC: Jesus was a Buddhist monk (video)

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicolas Notovitch - FULL audio book

(Greatest AudioBooks) The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicolas Notovitch is here presented as an audio book. 🌐🌟🎧📚 GreatestAudioBooks.co 💙 

• Translated by J. H. Connelly and L. Landsberg

THE BOOK

The Unknown Life of Jesus

The Unknown Life of Jesus: original text with photographs and map by Nicolas Notovitch has 4.6 out of 5 stars with 114 ratings. Notovitch was born into an aristocratic Jewish family but converted to Christianity in his youth.

A prolific Russian journalist, author of 12 books, (and some say a spy), he travelled widely in the East, visiting India, formerly Buddhist Afghanistan (Gandhara), and Buddhist Ladakh (formerly part of Tibet).

After a horse-riding accident that broke his leg, Notovitch recuperated at a Tibetan Buddhist lamasery (monastery) called Hemis Gompa.

There he heard of an ancient written manuscript that revealed astonishing information on the 16 "Lost Years of Jesus" -- the period between Jesus Christ's visit to the Jerusalem Temple at the age of 12 and his baptism in the Jordan River, about which the Bible is strangely silent.

Buddhist Christian? | Theravadin.org

Russian Jewish-Christian Nicolas Notovitch

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ (Audible)

The Tibetan manuscript relates that Jesus (called Saint Issa in the East) spent this time traveling to India and Tibet to study the spiritual disciplines of the East. He then returned via Persia to Israel, where he taught for a few years until his eventual crucifixion (torture by Roman soldiers reserved for political criminals).

This account was published by Notovitch in 1887 as The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ. It caused an immediate sensation, stirring passions on both sides, shaking the foundations of Orthodox Christianity and raising a storm of controversy that, after more than 125 years [after its publication], has not yet abated.

I trained in the Mystic East

This is an exciting, thought-provoking book, essential reading for anyone interested in the life of the historical Jesus the Nazarene [not a place but a sect designation for vegetarian/vegan, according to Christspiracy]. More

• This version includes an introduction from Yogi Ramachakra from his book, Mystic Christianity, giving additional insight into the 18 unknown years of Jesus Christ's life with an afterword by Baird T. Spalding from his book, Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East. Nicolas Notovitch journeyed to Ladakh (Tibet) in 1887 and discovered manuscripts in a Buddhist monastery describing some of the unknown years of Jesus Christ. In these manuscripts the Jewish-Christian godman (sadhu) is referred to as Saint Issa.

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• Nicolas Notovitch, translated by Connelly and Landsberg, Greatest Audioibook, Feb. 23, 2013; Lost Years of Jesus; Eds., Wisdom Quarterly

Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life

Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion

Author Holger Kersten has 4.5 out of 5 stars with 336 ratings. Jesus has an unknown life before his crucifixion. We all know that. But he had an unknown life after that crucifixion? Nearly no one but Nicolas Notovitch and the historical figures involved knew that.

Why has Christianity chosen to ignore and suppress its connections to the religions of the East and to repeatedly dismiss the numerous claims that Jesus (aka Issa in Buddhism and Isa in Islam) spent a large part of his life in India?

This compelling research presents irrefutable evidence that Jesus Christ did indeed live in India, dying there in old age at 80. It is the result of many years of investigative research.

Jesus Lived in India takes the reader to all the historical sites connected with Jesus in Israel, the Middle East, Buddhist Afghanistan (ancient Gandhara, Scythia, Saka), and India, which was historically much larger, encompassing parts of Tibet, China, all of Pakistan, and parts of Afghanistan in Central Asia.

As well as revealing age-old links between the Israelites and the East, the evidence found by theologian Holger Kersten points to the following startling conclusions:

• In his youth Jesus followed the ancient Silk Road to India (with a band of Jewish merchants who regularly made that journey to a Jewish enclave in the Himalayas).
• While there Jesus studies Buddhism, adopting its tenets and becoming a spiritual master.

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  Why would Roman soldier take a bribe?

  Jesus survives the crucifixion [because his disciples pay off the Roman guards to cut him down and make sure he does not die, which usually takes three days at which time one suffocates from fluids in the lungs, which is why one good soldier stabs him in the side with what came to be called the "Spear of Destiny") when Jesus was only on the cross for a few hours].
• After the "resurrection" Jesus returns to India to die in old age.
• Jesus is buried in Srinagar, the capital of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, where he continues to be revered as a saintly man named Issa. The tomb of Jesus still exists in Kashmir for anyone to see.
• Jesus Lived in India (amazon.com)
• Holger Kersten, Jesus Lived in India, 12/31/01 (amazon.com): Shauna Schwartz, Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Our Jewish Passover in Buddhist Nepal

Ah, the hippies and free love movement were renewed on Freak Street in old Kathmandu

Passover Seder in Kathmandu, Nepal, incorporated Buddhist and Jewish traditions

American JewBu (E. Sigalow)

(Forward) Buddhists are Jews? Wait a minute, Jews are Buddhists and they play bluegrass music? There is an old phenomenon from at least the 1960s in the U.S. (see The Jew in the Lotus) and the 1st century B.C.E. in Palestine (see Jesus Lived in India), when Jews born into Judaism (raised in a very secular way, often with a phobia about too orthodox and strict an interpretation of this Semitic school, given that many Middle Eastern and North African peoples are Semites, not just German Ashkenazi Jews and other Palestinians in the geopolitical but otherwise nonexistent "Middle" East) sought spirituality and like the Buddha and Jesus sought it in the mystic East.

Many Jews former beat poets love Zen Buddhism

The lure of India for young people on a spiritual quest is hard to underestimate. It is very old. Sure, Judaism has its own form of mysticism (just the same way regular Islam has mystical Sufism), but Kabbalah is creepy and more European-occultism than the magic and mystery of ancient India and its neighbor Esoteric Buddhist Tibet.

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  Jewish? Do I look Jewish? I'm All Religions

  Ram Dass (formerly Harvard's Dr. Richard Alpert, Ph.D., who almost singlehandedly started the Sixties along with Howard Bloom, who claims he did singlehandedly start them), famously said, when asked if he was Jewish (because he dressed and wore his hair like his groovy Hindu "love guru" Neem Karoli Baba), "I'm only Jewish on my parents' side."

Prince Siddhartha (Gandhara)

Prince Siddhartha was born in Scythia (Saka) in ancient Gandhara, in the northwest frontier of proto-India; he traveled east on a quest for spiritual enlightenment.

Jesus Lived in India (Kersten)

King Jesus (humble Yeshua the Nazarene) was born either in pharaoh's Egypt or a small Podunk town known as Nazareth in Palestine (popularly sold to us as "Israel," which is located in North Africa, although this is obscured by ages of propaganda that forces the imagination to ignore that what is called "Israel" today is all on the African continent and in ancient times may have extended throughout Kush and Ethiopia, which at that time included Eritrea, in Kemet).

Foreskin's Lament (Shalom Auslander)

The Man will lie to us and separate us, pit Jew (Chosen) against Christian (Gentile) and play the ultimate victim with everyone against the self-isolating, exclusionary Jews. The work of Shalom Auslander is eye-opening in this regard. Eric Dubay (ericdubay.com and at bitchute.com) says the world has historically hated "the Jews" and not for nothing. They have been thrown out of country after country, leading to the saying "wandering Jew." This is blamed on the God of the Jews, who is punishing them for their sinfulness (lit. "missing the mark") and wickedness (evil) and most of all their kvetching (murmuring which really means bellyaching and endless complaining). The God just won't stand for it.

Our troubles did not begin in...

But will Buddhists be pitted against the Jews? If Jews behave the same way they have in other countries, sure. But just look at Thailand and other places with secret Jewish enclaves as they set up businesses, network, try to form monopolies that would be illegal elsewhere, keep others out of certain industries, and clean up all with government help and protection.

Every country wants a piece of the financial pie. And Jews, particularly the secular ones, are like the Jains in India, a tiny fraction of the population with disproportionate wealth and influence for their numbers.

Howard Bloom started the 60s?

Why? The religious rules they do not personally practice, but the very rules that made their community prosper, is the answer. Moses had a DMT vision (using Syrian Rue and seeing the burning bush) and said behave this way. Mahavira had a vision and said practice ahimsa, that is, abstain from doing any kind of harm (such as farming, soldiering, ranching, butchering, etc.), leaving only a few businesses to undertake, namely, banking and jewelry dealing. Remind you of any other small religious group?

• For more on this story, visit forward.com/culture/542670...

Jews in St. Louis celebrate Passover Seder

(FOX 2 St. Louis) Passover Seder (a kind of Last Supper) is observed by Jews on the 15th day of Nisan on the Hebrew calendar. A local family invited FOX 2's crew into their home to show their [largely German Ashkenazi Jewish] beliefs and traditions.

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The Jew in the Lotus: What does Judaism have to do with Buddhism?

The Jew in the Lotus (Rodger Kamenetz, 1995)

The Jew in the Lotus: A Poet's Re-Discovery of Jewish Identity in Buddhist India is a famous book by Rodger Kamenetz published in 1995. It has a 4.5 out of 5 stars after 247 ratings.

While accompanying eight high-spirited Jewish delegates to Dharamsala, India, for a historic Buddhist–Jewish dialogue with the 14th Dalai Lama, poet Rodger Kamenetz comes to understand the convergence of Buddhist and Jewish thought.

Jesus (St. Issa) traveled to India?

Along the way he encounters Ram Dass (former Jewish Harvard professor Dr. Richard Alpert, who got fired because of LSD then went tripping around India as a hippie and became a cultural icon after he met and became devoted to Hindu love guru Neem Karoli Baba in India) and Hollywood actor Richard Gere, and dialogues with leading rabbis and Jewish thinkers, including Zalman Schacter, Yitz and Blue Greenberg, and a host of religious and disaffected Jews and JuBus (Jewish-Buddhists).

This amazing journey through Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism and Judaism leads Kamenetz to a renewed appreciation of his living Jewish roots. The Jew in the Lotus

• Text by Sheldon S., Shauna Schwartz, Dhr. Seven, Wisdom Quarterly 2024; video by FOX 2 St. Louis; April 5, 2023; main video by Forward, April 10, 2023; author Rodger Kamenetz (amazon.com)

Two Early Buddhist Christian Encounters

James Ford, Monkey Mind, Patheos, 8/14; Sheldon S., Dhr. Seven (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Edgar Goodspeed exposed a fraudulent account of Jesus visiting Tibet.

It generated a little heat from people who weren’t particularly interested in reading the professor’s examination of a forged text, but who were exercised at the suggestion at the beginning of the post that Jesus did not spend time in India or Tibet.

• [Are we to ignore the discovery of Nicolas Notovitch, confirmed by Swami Abhedananda, and all the subsequent research by Holger Kersten and others confirming that the "lost years" of Jesus were spent in Tibet, India, Ladakh, some of that time at Hemis Gompa Himalayan Buddhist Lamasery, as the BBC confirmed in its documentary Jesus Was a Buddhist Monk?]

(BBC) Jesus Was a Buddhist Monk

One pointed to Marcus Borg’s delightful Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings as if it were proof, not necessarily of Jesus studying in Tibet, but certainly of Buddhist influence on Jesus.

Of course, the railway theory of religious thought, the assumption that if the spiritual teachings of two different religions are similar, the later teaching must in fact come from the earlier one is pretty common. But it often turns out that there is no connection. These things are examples of parallel evolution.

While it is possible that some of the gymnosophists [naked Jain ascetic philosophers] who appear to have made their way to the Roman Empire could have been Buddhist monks.

So it is not outside the realm of possibility there was some Buddhist influence on Jesus, or at least early Christianity [as with the Church Father Origen, who talked about rebirth a great deal, having the Buddha Shakyamuni (aka Ammonius Saccas) as his teacher], the rather more important point is that Jesus’ teachings were in fact not radical.

Or rather they may have been radical in the sense that they went against the grain of the day. Then as now they were also very much mainstream Jewish teachings.

Bottom line, there is no need to appeal to influence from elsewhere to come up with Jesus. So why multiply assumptions?

That said, among the things that are fascinating for me are the actual provable contacts between early Christianity and Buddhism. The connections that have documentary evidence that is true and wasn’t made up. More

Pope Francis' Palm Sunday Mass in 1 minute

Vatican News English; Pat Macpherson, Dhr. Seven, Seth Auberon (ed.), Wisdom Quarterly

(Vatican News English, April 5, 2020) Pope Francis' Palm Sunday Mass in 1 minute: Pope Francis celebrates Mass on Palm Sunday and prays the Angelus in an empty St. Peter's Basilica, focusing his homily on love and service. Watch the Holy Roman Empire's entire pomp and circumstance mass hypnotic induction ceremony as it holds sway over 1/3rd of the planet with its corporate patriarchy.

Sid, it sucks being famous. - I know, Jess.

As we explore the Abrahamic faiths, let's start with Jesus Christ Superstar (Yesu of Nazareth, St. Issa) instead of the Mo's. Today is "Palm Sunday" and the Vatican Propaganda Office, located in the Holy See [built to worship Mithra (Maitri = Maitreya = Messiah) before converting to the composite figure of Jesus Christ (Y'shua, Joshua, Iesous, Issa, Isa) is milking the cow liquid out of it.

Getting with the times, the Vatican PR Department has condensed a 1:42:06 minute ritual to an empty house in a locked down palace down to a manageable (i.e., wordless) one-minute.

Zealot (Reza Aslan)

It's suitable for Instagram, FB, TikTok, even Twitter. The tiny country called the "Holy See" in the center of sickly Rome is the current city-state-cum-capital of the Church's worldwide Holy Roman Empire. It claims to have 7 coronavirus cases in a total population of about 1,000 mostly gay and bisexual bishops, carnal cardinals, pervey priests, Swiss guards, functionaries, and bankers.

The CEO, Papa Francisco (Pope Francis I), is trying to hold it down as Rome burns with disease along with the rest of the world suffering the new "plague" or "crown of death." But we're all friends in the afterlife, so for Holy Week we ask, Who was Jesus of Nazareth? And where was he for those 18 "lost years"? The years excised from the official imperial version of the Bible, fabricated by the Neo-Flavian dynasty also called the Constantinian dynasty and its power-hungry Roman Emperor Constantine at the Council of Nicaea?

BBC: "Jesus was a Buddhist monk"

• Need more evidence than the BBC? See Holger Kersten
• See also Swami Abhedananda who corroborated research by
• Nicolas Notovitch at Hemis Buddhist Monastery in India

A strange "Chris-Buddhist-mas"

Ajahn Chah; Ajahn Maha Boowa; Ven. Sujato, Ellie Askew, Dhr. Seven (ed.), Wisdom Quarterly

Was Jesus ever a Buddhist? Yes.*

It was Christmas (December 24th) in Thailand, and the foreign [Western Buddhist] monks decided to celebrate it. They invited some laypeople as well as the Abbot Ajahn Chah to join them.

The laypeople were upset and skeptical. "Why," they asked, "are Buddhists celebrating Christmas?"

Ajahn Chah gave a talk on religion in which he said, "As far as I understand, Christianity teaches people to do good and to avoid doing harm, just as Buddhism teaches, so what's the problem?"

"However, if people are upset by the idea of celebrating 'Christmas,' that can be easily remedied. We won't call it 'Christmas.' Let's call it ['Chris-Buddhist-mas']. Anything that inspires us to see what is true and do what is good is proper practice. You may call it any name you like."

The Christ and The Buddha

Ajahn Maha Boowa

Siddhartha the Buddha, Jesus the Christ, Saintly Young Men Manga (Geraldford/flickr)

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Every [world-] religion teaches people to be good. I do not dare put the Christ (Jesus) and the Buddha (Siddhartha) in the boxing ring to see who's champion -- because the religions do not have anything to argue and fight about.

But we people who are variously "Christians" or "Buddhists" like to quarrel and to fight with words. Because of being stubborn, we do not practice the way of either religion.

The teachings of the founders of each tradition give us a "right path" to follow, so we ought to contemplate the virtues of the founders.

It is as if we were walking along a path to a particular destination. At first we'd go along a path that we knew until we reached a point where we no longer knew the way. So we'd ask someone who knows, and they'd tell us the way to go farther.

Siddhartha the Buddha lived to help others and to rise above the lures of the world.

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As soon as we again reached a point of uncertainty, we'd ask again. We'd continue like this until we reached the goal at the culmination of the path.

The one who points out the path is a benefactor, and we ought to reflect on the gift.

The Buddha saw clearly into Dharma (the true nature of things), because he understood clearly the method by which he had trained himself [to see things as they really are].

Therefore, it was always beneficial when Buddhists turned to him. He was always ready to help the world gain freedom from various dangers with methods that were full of friendliness/loving-kindness (mettã).

To summarize, in both religions, the founders compassionately taught people to be good (virtuous) in the same way. They are different in their degrees of subtlety following the abilities of the founders of each tradition.

*Yes, Jesus was at one time a Buddhist monk, apparently in the Mahayana-Hinduistic-Vajrayana tradition. According to Nicolas Notovitch and many others, Jesus lived in India during the unknown or "lost" years of his life. There in Ladakh, India/Tibet, he was a Buddhist monk, a Hindu yogi, a miracle worker (siddhi), a healer, and teacher who got in trouble and went back to Jerusalem, where he got in even more trouble. And he came back to Kashmir, where we find his tomb now overtaken by a Muslim burial site with a Jewish person, whose feet are symbolized to mark it in a very Buddhist and very non-Jewish way.