Who copied whom: Gnostic Jesus or Buddha?

They didn't understand, Jay. - I know, Sid

(Primeval Archives) The Buddha ("Awakened One") and the Gnostic Jesus ("Anointed One") were teaching the same escape route they somehow both knew. Who took it from whom?

Answer

*Irony* Well, clearly Buddhism, which existed five or six centuries before Jesus was born, must have stolen the idea from Christianity by somehow finding a way to time travel centuries into the future, seeing how popular Christianism would get then absconding like a time bandit with Gnostic papyri under his arm back to South and Central Asia (India and Afghanistan). Wait, is there time travel yet? When will that arrive?

So Jesus Christ must have heard the teaching, seen the Buddha's finger pointing at the path (as preserved in the Buddha-Dharma and the Sangha, the Teachings of the Buddha and the monastic institution the Buddha set up to preserve and practice those Teachings so that the world would never be bereft of path or enlightened disciples, who are the unexcelled source of merit for the world).

Jesus was a Buddhist monk (BBC)

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• VIDEO: Jesus in India as a Buddhist monk (BBC)

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Primeval Archives does such a great job presenting the case then falls on his A.I. face by claiming that all the evidence that Jesus spent the missing 18 years of his life between the time he was a teen then a teacher traveling to India, Tibet, and the mystic East. All the evidence in the world wouldn't convince someone who has already made up his or her or their mind.

Jesus Lived in India

Is there evidence? Because if there is, then the question answers itself about who borrowed from whom. The BBC says that Jesus was a Buddhist monk during a part of those "missing years," which did not really go missing at all, but rather were buried and erased by the institution. Churches, councils, Vatican, clerical organizations, they never heard it, just as they ignore the Apocrypha, a wondrous source of Christian and pre-Christian knowledge. The lost Gnostic Gospels cannot now be ignored, nor could the parallels between what may spiritual traditions seem to be trying to say in their own way.

• Nicolas Notovitch, Russian Christian, found written documentation of Jesus (St. Issa) in Tibetan monastery Hemis Gompa, Ladakh
• He returned to West, was met with shock and doubt. Then someone claimed to go ask at the monastery, which denied knowing anything about a book documenting Jesus (St. Issa) training there then returning to Palestine (ancient Israel) before getting in trouble again, getting crucified, cut down and released by bribed Roman guards, and returning to India to live out his life till the age of 80 in Kashmir, where he is buried in the Jewish style
• Indian Swami Abhedananda heard about this, traveled to Ladakh, was shown the book (because he was not a Westerner who would steal it like others were likely to do), corroborating all that Notovitch had claimed
• Why a Hindu Accepts Christ and rejects Churchianity: Swami Abhedananda
• Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion | Holger Kersten | Goodreads

Jesus was a Buddhist monk (BBC documentary)

Truth is truth, and no one is owner of it. What the Buddha, the Awakened One, realized he shared with the world like an openhanded teacher. Jesus may have had a much smaller circle of special disciples (Apostles), but he certainly tried to tell people of his visions, realizations, and setting forth a way of following in his footsteps. It's a terrible pity the official Church took that, stripped it of its vital call for real gnosis (direct personal experience, shamanic realization, seeing to believe) and replaced it was a pitiful shell of obedience to authority, mindless learning by rote, and blind faith.

We are responsible for our own actions, which is our karma (deeds). We reap what we sow, which is to say we harvest what we plant. As is said in Buddhism, "No one saves us but ourselves; no one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path; buddhas [awakened teachers] only point the way."

• Primeval Archives (video); BBC (documentary); Dhr. Seven, Amber Larson, Pat Macpherson, Wisdom Quarterly COMMENTARY

Sad Blues for a Happy Juneteenth (6/19)

Plane scene: elderly white woman speaks jive 😭

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Mexican 'Day of the Dead' Barbie (video)

Hi. I'm La Calavera Catrina. Buy me.

Celebrate the vibrant and beloved Mexican holiday with Mattel Corporation's new Día de Muertos (Day of the Dead) Collection.

Barbie doll looks luminous wearing a long, black ruffled gown with intricate, colorful detailing and embroidered sugar skulls. Her orange headband highlights her updo and evokes the festival's iconic marigold flowers.

Calavera (skull) face paint and bright pink accessories complete her festive look. While sold separately, both Barbie [Beltran] and Ken [Castro] dolls wear complimentary patterns, making them a perfect set and the ultimate keepsake that inspires joy and elegance.

• Mattel's 2025 Dia de Muertos Barbies are here - and are absolutely $tunning

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• Matell Inc.: culturally insensitive doll selections
• Top 10 best Dia De Los Muertos Barbie of 2025

Barbie® Dia de Muertos doll designer: Javier Maebe. Label: Black Face Sculpt: Lina Body Type: ModelMuse. Includes certificate of authenticity to avoid cheap knockoffs. Barbie Club 59 members get a deal. Buy Día de Muertos Barbie doll at MattelCreations.com while supplies last. During this time, the doll may also be available at participating Target and Walmart locations, as well as Amazon.com, Target.com, and Walmart.com. Dolls cannot stand alone. Doll stand included. Colors and decorations may vary. Purchase limits subject to change at the sole discretion of Mattel. SKU#: HRM72

• Music: Avenged Sevenfold - "Mattel" (official video)
• Reaction: Rayaction to A7x "Mattel"
• Día de Muertos Barbie | Mattel Creations
• Crystal Quintero, CC Liu, Seth Auberon (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Gathering of the Juggalos: Ohio 2025

• (Auntie Boy) Gathering of the Juggalos 2025, best festival?

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The Gathering of the Juggalos (also known as "The Gathering" or GOTJ) [1] is a decadent annual music festival put on by Psychopathic Records, featuring performances by the entire label roster as well as numerous well-known musical groups and underground artists.

It was founded by Jumpsteady, Insane Clown Posse (the two-man white rap group Joseph Bruce and Joseph Utsler), and their label in the Year 2000.

• Is there ANYTHING redeeming about this insane festival of mayhem, madness, and what seems like a lot of meth? Yes: It's explained in the Epilogue

A Black man's fest experience

(Duke Dennis) Duke Dennis does the disastrous stretch of Ohio fields

Insane Clown Posse Festival

Described by Joseph Bruce as "Juggalo Woodstock" [2] (Juggalo being a nickname for fans of the ICP or Insane Clown Posse), the Gathering of the Juggalos spans five days and includes [lots of drug abuse] concerts, wrestling, games, contests, autograph sessions, karaoke, and seminars with artists.

Over its first eleven events (2000–2010), the festival drew a total attendance upward of 100,000 fans [3]. More

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RAP goes too far: metal Ghostemane

Ghostemane "Mercury" Fleischer Studio TRXSH GXNG ＴＲＡＳＨ 新 ドラゴン

May 17, 2025: NEW from Gho$tmane: Prompto - Victoria's Secret (T R A S H)

If rap is dumbed down, I'll make it TRASH!

So much of rap is stupid, unbearably so. Rock 'n roll was better, not by much but it was making something new of older Black music (blues, guitar driven gospel, jazz). But we're coming around to this rap thingy after a half century. For all the boisterous bluster, some really has kick (umph), the right beat. We're finally seeing it.

• What four young Black men formed and called themselves "Gho$tmane," incorporating death and Black metal into their sound? Here they are:

HARD MIX GHOSTEMANE // BASS TRACKS GHOSTEMANE

White privilege extends into the rap universe?

(Yeah, that guy, Sunny McCalifornia. How could a boy with buckteeth get so groovy he not only develops a distinctive sound but a unique aesthetic from the 1920s?) We have to guess that it's because we mainly hear pop-rap (the cr-p rap the radio plays to death) that rap seems boring and anything but phresh.

But with radio removed, one is now exposed to all the other ways of listening (peer-to-peer sharing, TikTok, underground shows, networks, influencers, curation, recommendations, luck, and social media.

With the censors out and the "filters" on, there's some really good stuff out there. Some recent Buddhist articles we produced got a tremendous response with what looks like hundreds of thousands of views. It's just rap. Rap is old. Hasn't all the hoopla about rap died down already. It might have about the old stuff, but there is much more vital NEW stuff. Who even knew this was rap.

We thought it would be good to hear rap songs done in another genre thanks to the GREAT Richard Cheese (longtime fans since he appearances on the Kevin & Bean Show decades ago). So just tapping in something like death metal rap got an unexpectedly good response on YouTube. What, it's a thing? We thought, what are these suggestions? So clicking on a few of them, not bad. It was just Slipknot when Corey spits bars. We knew about that. We didn't know some of these songs got videos made for them.

Then, skipping down, we tapped the White Album looking suggestion, just to see, and the song that came up was really good or not what we expected. It was rap, not death metal. We were looking for death metal. But then it was metal as rap. Who were these guys? Are there bands of Black youths who listen to black metal (which is called "black" not because of the race of the artists or fans but due to the dark arts discussed by the music, such as Venom, Mercyful Fate, Deicide) and rap about it? No. Who knows? (There's that horrorcore freakshow stuff, but that seems very niche). Everyone listens to everything nowadays. There's no reason to stay in a compartment and limit yourself.

Rock rap with Wes and Limp Bizkit

This was someone smart enough to rap but very dark, but still actual rap, not a parody or imitation. Hey, there's something here. You see, a few months ago, we surfed through a video of Limp Bizkit live in the Netherlands, and before the show, they are getting the crowd amped up and start playing a rap song.

All of the 100% Caucasian audience loves it, starts moving, singing along. "They do know this is not a Limp Bizkit song, right?" was the question that crossed our minds. But it was a rap song, and that was the amazing thing--one that Limp Bizkit knew it, and two that the audience loved it so much. Oh yeah, duh, they are there to see rap-rock. It turns out it wasn't Limp Bizkit but Limp's DJ spinning Ludacris as Wes is standing, holding his guitar, in his briefs, about to noodle.

That's how The Heart Sutra (RAP version) article got written. Real rap is what Ludacris was doing, that old skool yellin and cars and women and other featured rappers on a track.

Who's ever heard of Gho$temane? Apparently, everybody but us because he's already played Coachella, though not with the reception he might have been expecting (during the day, under the desert sun, on the lawn, in the heat, to a smaller audience.

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How is this guy not in all our faces or in the manifesto of the teen who takes a shot at Eminem in the future? Didn't Megan Fox's boytoy diss Marshal Mathers in a rap only to have it blow up in his face? Who ever heard about MGK? Or Riff Raff featured on Far East Movement's "Illest," Vanilla Ice (aka Rob Van Winkle) or the way mad white rappers The Bloodhound Gang feature him as Robby Winkle, that Australian one-hit-wonder Masked Wolf, where drill (gangsta rap is breaking out) as well as biker gangs.

Eminem said the N word with style in rap battle. - And he managed to finally rhyme with "orange"

The rap trap is some fake cr-p

• Seth Auberon, Pfc. Sandoval, Dhr. Seven, Sheldon S., Wisdom Quarterly COMMENTARY, The Future of Musick

I wanna be an African rapstar (music)

WARNING: Explicit, crude, rude, juenile behavior, fronting, and nude buttocks exposed!

African? A South Afrikaner, that is. Yolandi and Ninja tapped into negative astral forces for fame. But those minions, "demons," and low vibration entities have a knack for a beat, mischief, and lots of harm. Die Antwoord (Afrikaans for "The Answer") have a penchant for the repulsive. It's ugly and spooky, like so much of the vibe of today's leading Illuminati artists with those same unclean spirits working overtime: Bill E. Eyelash, Bee Yon Say, Card E. Bee, Nick E. Minaj, and the rest of the big rappers. How could Die Antwoord have succeeded coming out of a place with no other rappers? Is there a large South African rap scene? Are these two, a couple with a child, a one-off built on Ninja's brains and vision?

Die Antwoord: "Wat Kyk Jy"

(Norixify) March 7, 2010: The African rap duo Die Antwoord ("The Answer") take a drive through Green Point with Taxijam. The band is a Zef rap-rave crew from Cape Town, South Africa. The crew is Ninja, Yo-landi Vi$$er, and DJ Hi-Tek. Visit: dieantwoord.com. This video is copyrighted and owned by taxijam.co.za.

What are they talking about, Jack Black?

(Genius.com) Ninja has a tattoo on his donker that says Wat kyk jy?, which is Afrikaans for “What are you looking at?” It’s about Ninja’s raging Zef bonker. So this is "Raging Zef Boner." "Zef" is a make-believe underground lifestyle, roughly equivalent to "white trash" but Afrikaans style. He and his wife and singing-partner, Yo-landi Vi$$er, represent it with cash-grab tee-shirt art and graffiti.

LYRICS

"Wat Kyk Jy?" is Track 2 on Die Antwoord’s $O$ (2009) produced by God (DJ) and Ninja (ZA). The title Wat Kyk Jy? translates from Afrikaans to “What are you looking at?” 

[Intro] Die fokken Antwoord [Ninja]

Is dit net ek, of is als tos?

Is dit net ek?

Is-is dit net ek?

Jis jis, ek soek n fancy goose

Maar my sak's plat soos

Barbie se plastic poes

[Bridge: Ninja & Yo-Landi Vi$$er]

— Wat die fok?

— Fok die poes in die

Corsa langs ons

Yo Ninja, Kook n Tekkie

Laat ons gly

[Pre-Chorus: Yo-Landi Visser]

Drive!

Drive fast!

Gly! Gly! Gly! Gly!

Drive fast!

Play kak music loud!

[Chorus: Ninja & Yo-Landi Vi$$er]

Wat kyk jy? (Fokof!)

Wat kyk jy? (Poes!)

Wat kyk jy? (Fok jou!)

Wat kyk jy? (Jou naai!)

Wat kyk jy? (Fokof!)

Wat kyk jy? (Poes!)

Wat kyk jy? (Fok jou!)

Wat kyk jy? (Jou naai!)

[Verse 1: Ninja] Ninja rolling in a BMW

Sipping Vitamiene B en C

Die brannewyn en coke slat weer n keer

Yo tjek daai sker in die

PVC Hot-pants lekker B.P.P

"Binne-Poes-Pienk" aan die moederfokken brand

Net soos hierdie stainless steel

Rap-ster met n groot fokken stywe piel

([Yo-Landi Visser] Yo!)

Better listen to whatever she says

([Yo-Landi Visser] Ek's down met die moeder fokken wedding DJs)

Pump up the volume!

([Yo-Landi Visser] Haal pips uit die zol uit)

Hol skud morsig!

([Yo-Landi Visser] Laat die fokken jol ruk)

[Yo-Landi Visser] Fok die bewe koppe!

Yo raas is baas

The richest bitch with the nicest arse

Oppie mikrofoon, yo, uh!

Moerefokkit! Tjekkie Yo Ninja!

Kook n fokken tekkie

[Ninja] Hier gat ons weer!

O here! Warra! Warra! Warra!

It's that brother from another mother's gwarra Jislaaik!

How did I get so fancy? Al die ander rappers is net ou panties

Ninja! Die real fokken deal Jy lyk so mooi met my piel in jou keel

Ag siestog! Now try say my name Man-botter binne in jou slym-konyn

[Yo-Landi Visser] Zik my blaar! Swaai daai zaan

Twee Savannas en my vibes aan

[Ninja] Skop n dop en fokkit op

[Yo-Landi Visser] Ek maak duk zak

Cause I grab the microphone and fock sh*t up

Ek's zef! Zars

Baby and my whole crew's fresh! Vars

If I don't know you get lost, you not on my level

Yo put the pedal to the metal...

Does this white rapper suck, or is he great?

V1V1D sings "Loose Ends" (live performance) | Genius Open Mic

(Genius) Sept. 21, 2023:  Genius Distro artist V1V1D stopped by the Genius studio to perform his song “Loose Ends.” The song is produced by the Illinois native himself, Runitbackryan, Pierre “PD” DeJournette, and Vernon Hill. On today’s episode of Open Mic, the rising rapper will impress [some] with his excellent word play [better than Drake] and unique delivery [plus a slowing down of the track to give him a deep, husky, Black man's voice]. Read more on Genius: genius.com/a/v1v1d-performs... #OpenMic #LooseEnds

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NEW breed of rappers reinvent hip hop (video)

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Blacking Up: Hip-Hop’s Remix of Race (video)

Hezakya Newz; Seth Auberon, Crystal Quintero, Pat Macpherson (eds.), Wisdom Quarterly

Blacking Up: Hip-Hop's Remix of Race and Identity

Hip-hop was created by urban youth of color more than 30 years ago amid U.S. racial oppression and economic marginalization.
 

LAPD Chief Chucky Beck and his killa crew

It has moved beyond that specific community and been embraced by young people worldwide, elevating it to a global youth culture. The ambitious and hard-hitting documentary Blacking Up: Hip-Hop’s Remix of Race and Identity looks at the popularity of hip-hop among America’s white youth.

It asks whether white-identification is rooted in admiration and a desire to transcend race or if it is merely a new chapter in the long continuum of stereotyping, white privilege, mimicry, and cultural appropriation?
 

This scourge must be stopped! Save our youth!

Does it reflect a new face of racial understanding in white America, or does it reinforce an ugly history?
 

The film presents a diverse group of white rap fans (often referred to by derogatory terms such as “wannabe” or “wigger”) and performers with very different ways of expressing their relationship to hip-hop music and culture.
 

"True Killaz": criminal LAPD cops

Against the unique backdrop of American popular music, Blacking Up explores racial identity in U.S. society:

• How do white youth define and express themselves culturally?
• Why would creating an alternative persona be attractive to white suburban youth?
• What does “authenticity” mean in reference to hip-hop, an art form often based on “sampling” music from other performers?
• How does this type of performance affect the communities being emulated?
• How do white performers impact interracial dialogue and the cultural landscape?

These questions are examined in fascinating vignettes featuring:

• a tense hip-hop battle between white and black students at Indiana University-Bloomington
• a backlash against "wiggers" in a Midwestern white community
• a revealing analysis of how rapper Vanilla Ice (Mr. Rob Van Winkle as exalted by the comic-genius band the Bloodhound Gang) was marketed to mainstream audiences
• performers whose use of racially-charged symbols beg comparison to minstrelsy
• a black-owned New York bus tour that specializes in bringing outsiders into the neighborhoods where hip-hop was first invented -- replete with complimentary "bling."

(Bloodhound Gang) Imagine the worst: "Nightmare at the Apollo"

I'll kill my kids if they turn into [blankers]!

The documentary places the issues of cross-cultural appropriation and desire in historical context, drawing parallels between the figure of the white hip-hop fan and previous incarnations of white identification with black culture.
 

Blacking Up addresses the legacy of blackface performers such as Al Jolson (introducing us to the contemporary Al Jolson Fan Club).
 

The Godmother of Rock 'n Roll: Sr. Tharpe

In addition, jazz figures like the "hipster" and rock and roll icons like Elvis Presley and the Rolling Stones are considered within a broader context of white appropriation of black cultural expression. [What about Dr. Dre's Marshall Mathers?]
 

The film posits that identifying with black culture has offered white performers and consumers a means to lift inhibitions. And in the case of hip-hop, it has given white men license to act aggressively masculine.

I'm all masculine all the time. Respect! I got Dr. Dre to vouch for me, boy!

 

Dear White People, please

Throughout the documentary there is insightful commentary by African American cultural critics such as poet Amiri Baraka (who draws parallels to the Beatnik era), Nelson George, Greg Tate, comedian Paul Mooney, and hip-hop figures Chuck D, Russell Simmons, M1 of Dead Prez, and DJ Kool Herc.
 

Blacking Up will be a useful resource for college courses in media studies, cultural studies, sociology, African American studies, anthropology, and cross-cultural dialogue as well as for student services programs.

(Wiggaz.com) Funny compilation of Wiggers and wannabes

White, Black-Identified: "Rachel Divide" (video)

Netflix; Monty Python; Crystal Quintero, Dhr. Seven, Ashley Wells, S.Auberon, Wisdom Quarterly

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We're white, right? What is "white"? Shade?

We have never understood all of the rancor. So what if Rachel Dolezal (doe-lay-jhal) wants to be black? Let her identify as black. We think she already is socially black.

Does she enjoy white privilege like she used to? [Maybe, in which case she should own it and check her privilege, but she was working for the NAACP helping blacks! Her siblings are all black, as is her husband and child.]

Can some blacks "pass" and implicitly go around being "white"? Of course. It already happens. Blacks, as a group, are lower down on the socioeconomic scale and therefore on the social ranking in our racist nation. Face it.

We're not saying it should be so or that we're going to let it remain so; we're saying it already is so. And as the scholar Dr. Cornel West says, it's out there. We all know the stereotypes and the jokes. It's not secret. And tiptoeing around like no one knows is not serving anyone.

(NBC Nightly News) "Race is a fluid social construct" says Dolezal

We're black, but our cousins pass as white.

Blacks are lower on the American totem pole, but they have a few advantages. Is Dolezal a moocher, a race usurper? Is she a rap star looking for easy/unearned cred?

No, she was raised black and identifies that way. Be what you want. There's already an offense word for it (begins with a W) used about suburban kids who think they're down and legit.

If I was born, ugh, a man but want everyone to call me "Loretta," that's my right! If we are so gender-fluid as a society, why not racially?
 

Mexican "race"?

 

I'm Latina, Hispanic, Mexican

Most Mexicans (almost all of them) are Native American but neither identify that way nor get that credit. Most Mexicans are European/Spanish but whether or not they identify that way they don't get that credit. What is a "Mexican"?

It is being a BLEND of both. There are indigenous (los indigena) who look indigenous and are derisively called "Indios" because it's implicitly better to be lighter, more European, closer to your Spanish/Iberian connection, your white side of the family, the likelier source of your riches and social influence.

I'm white (German) Mexican

But there comes a time when you identify with being brown (possibly Chicano/a/x) not pale (huero). Who says "race," a social construct, is strictly biological? Is sex (gender) that way? Is any label that way? Making fun of Rachel may be fun, but cut her some slack. It seems all of this anger at her is really anger and discomfort at our F'd up race relations and the inner turmoil most of us have about it.

CONCLUSION: She's biologically white and socially black. In the US, as in Mexico which is more blatant about it, you are what you look like. Why? Because you will be treated that way sight seen. (On the phone and over the WWW, it's sight unseen based on your voice, speech, and content). You are also what you act like because you will be treated that way when people interact with you. And there is a social science principle behind all of this: We are not what we think we are. We are not what others think we are. We are what we think others think we are. So she's a white black person. She has the right and privilege to identify that way. Get off her back.

(Doormat Lauer/NBC) "I identify as black." What's so hard to understand?
Don't label me. Don't try to be put me in your box. Don't tell me