"Venerable sir!" they responded.
"That has been realized by the Tathagata ["One Arrived at Suchness"], but in the Tathagata  it has not been [not become] established .
"If I were to say, 'I both know and do not know whatever in the world... is seen, heard, sensed, cognized... pondered by the intellect,' that would be just the same.
"If I were to say, 'I neither know nor do not know whatever in the world... is seen, heard, sensed, cognized... pondered by the intellect,' that would be a fault in me.
|The Truth is not arrived at by mere reasoning.|
|In the seen let there be only the seen, Bahiya.|
"Thus, meditators, the Tathagata — being the same with regard to all phenomena that can be seen, heard, sensed, or cognized — is 'such' . And I tell you, there is no other 'such[ness]' higher or more sublime.
- Reading tathagate with the Thai edition.
- That is, the Tathagata has not taken a stance on it.
- "Such": thus; just so; as it is; like that; tathātā.
1. Arthur Goldwag (2014). 'Isms & 'Ologies: All the Movements, Ideologies and Doctrines That Have Shaped Our World (p. 206). Most of its doctrines agree with Theravada Buddhism, but Mahayana does contain a transcendent element: tathata, or suchness; the truth that governs the universe.
2. Jay Stevenson (2000). The Complete Idiot's Guide to Eastern Philosophy (p. 144).